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Torless Caraz's avatar

The only net positive countries in terms of fertility rate are underdeveloped. I know it sounds trendy to say that maybe the next Proust is among the thousands of Yemenites, Sudanese, Egyptian or Pakistanis coming to your country - but let's face it, he won't be there. However you'll have mad people murdering babies in kid squares and westerners will face more violence to the point where it's no longer a good idea to wonder alone as a woman after 22PM in a large France city. I have lived through the change in a few years and I'm not even 30.

Yes, they steal the jobs of the native and they lower the price of labor. These are jobs the natives don't want to do as cheaply as them, so it's economically cognent - but all strictly economically motivated society eventually dies out demographically, and that's the real underlying problem immigration isn't a solution to.

They start companies, but it's mostly ethnic food restaurants and stuff that they import from their home countries - or drugs, to a point where a parallel economy inside the hosting country exists as a parasite.

When you say that they start companies, you're thinking of very specific countries that are also running out of people, just like us. 90% lf your immigration won't come from India or China, sadly.

When you get very liberal in your immigration policy they will definitely try to hack it to their advantage but marrying inside the host country to bring the whole family - so they do self-select, but mostly for parasitism. I can think of a friend's boyfriend, a friend's mother, a friend's uncle and some ex-coworkers would take pride in gaming the benefit system while being perfectly sane and able to work - all of them are from families of recent immigrants. I wish, I truly do, that I was kidding. Sad !

The only good use would be for recruiting people in a sports team but the world isn't a great sports tournament, I'm afraid, and even if it was, you would get in trouble when too many ethnicities are mixed into the same team - see France football team, which has no arabs.

The more you import of them, the less they will be able to assimilate and cooperate with the native population, again see France. To be fair this might be the biggest issue: import less immigrants and most of these points would be less of a problem. But in doing so you'll fall under the replacement rate... Which won't fix the primary cause of all of this.

Palladium has a good piece on this issue : https://www.palladiummag.com/2023/05/18/industrial-civilization-needs-a-biological-future/

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Bobby Lee's avatar

nominally agree with most of your points but the failure areas immigrants would paper over are indicators of a sick or dysfunctional society. id rather address the issues that lead to the native born population not succeeding on the metrics you outlined rather than just importing replacements.

even if we make the exception for

founders / very high skilled labor, immigration from those 2 categories would skill be wayyyyy lower than it is today. most immigration today even legal are net negative value adds

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